[david_horsager]: Welcome to the trusted Leader show it’s David Horsager, I have a special

[david_horsager]: guest. She’s got real snows in the background. If you’re watching this, most

[david_horsager]: of you are listening. Her name is Ginger Johnson. Welcome Ginger.

[ginger_johnson]: Hey, David. so so happy to be here, Thank you.

[david_horsager]: I’m glad to have you. You grew up in Minnesota. You went to college in

[david_horsager]: Minnesota, but for years you’ve been. you’ve lived a lot of different

[david_horsager]: places. and today you are in Mazula Montana. That’s where you call home

[david_horsager]: these days, and I see snow in the background

[ginger_johnson]: Yes, it feels so good. That’s a connecting point right there. you know this,

[ginger_johnson]: David. when we are where we want to be geographically, whether it’s

[ginger_johnson]: permanent or traveling, we have a deeper richer meaning to ourselves and our

[ginger_johnson]: work. It’s it’s like. Yeah, why would I not do this?

[david_horsager]: Exactly Well, this is. this is going to be fun.

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: Give us a couple. just a couple of little inside tips things nobody knows.

[david_horsager]: Maybe start with that cool. Not everybody can see your cool haircut. and uh,

[david_horsager]: we are going to get into you as really a chief connector. Connection is the

[david_horsager]: the sixth pillar of trust in our research and our work. You’re an expert on

[david_horsager]: connection. We’re going

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: to jump into that in a moment, but get personal for for a second, and maybe

[david_horsager]: jump into the mohawk.

[ginger_johnson]: it, it came about organically I, I don’t like to fuss with my hair For some

[ginger_johnson]: people, it’s just hair, Which that’s I. That’s my camp. Some people it

[ginger_johnson]: matters a lot more, but I, it just more. though. Over the years it’s been

[ginger_johnson]: long. it’s really cur. It’s really curly naturally and it’s custom colored

[ginger_johnson]: by the way. If you’re watching, it’s like Mother nature. so

[david_horsager]: It looks very cool. I’ll tell you what y. it’s it’s it. it is connecting,

[david_horsager]: right you, I. I like this. Well, you know, as a friend you said this before

[david_horsager]: you said. It’s like, uh, like being pregnant on your head.

[ginger_johnson]: yeah, yeah, people are compelled to comment on it. Do the drive by

[ginger_johnson]: compliment or the whatever. It’s a little long on the side, So if you’re

[ginger_johnson]: watching, you know it. you don’t quite see the skin, but we’re getting there

[ginger_johnson]: and it’s become kind of a signature look and I and I like it. It’s nice and

[ginger_johnson]: cool in the summer, although you know, bundle up in the winter.

[david_horsager]: Yeah, well,

[ginger_johnson]: Yeah,

[david_horsager]: you’ve got some amazing clients about. uh, you know your connection work.

[david_horsager]: Ive we know each,

[ginger_johnson]: Mhm.

[david_horsager]: and I’m just um, just really love your work and I love how it fits with the

[david_horsager]: work we do with trust, but let’s jump into connection. People are wondering

[david_horsager]: some real questions today and we can go all over in this time. but people

[david_horsager]: are really wondering how do I connect? Virtually how do we stay connected in

[david_horsager]: this virtual environment? Can you give us some some tips? Youre leader

[david_horsager]: trying to lead a team. You don’t get to see your people all the time. What

[david_horsager]: do you do?

[ginger_johnson]: Yeah, excellent question. David. let me give you three really useful points

[ginger_johnson]: right here on virtual online. connecting number one. Make sure that you have

[ginger_johnson]: enough space. Let’s talk about the physical first, and then we’ll get into

[ginger_johnson]: the mental and some of the emotional physical space. Like I’m literally

[ginger_johnson]: standing in front of a picture window. I have space around me to move around

[ginger_johnson]: when you are online. Give as much of yourself in. Show as much of yourself

[ginger_johnson]: as possible, so if you can show from the waist up, that’s so much better.

[ginger_johnson]: because when we’re in person, we see the whole person. So that’s the first

[ginger_johnson]: one physical space show up in a bright solid color as much as possible. That

[ginger_johnson]: is easy. Like I’m wearing red. today. I often wear turquoise or yellow or

[ginger_johnson]: something like that, so that’s a physical piece of how to connect better.

[ginger_johnson]: Because that color like I got the art background, Uh, color has everything

[ginger_johnson]: to do with our engagement and and as well our disengagement. Okay, so that’s

[david_horsager]: Hm,

[ginger_johnson]: a. That’s a physical piece. Another piece. Emotional peace is start a few

[ginger_johnson]: minutes before you’re actually going to start. Like give people open the

[ginger_johnson]: foyer. You know, let people in, David. Just like when we have people over at

[ginger_johnson]: our home. We don’t like. Let’ stay out there until dinner is served, and

[ginger_johnson]: then I’ll let you in. Oh no, no,

[david_horsager]: Mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: let people in because we are starved for. even in a ▁quote

[ginger_johnson]: regular world, we’re starve for those interactions that warm us up. It’s the

[ginger_johnson]: on ramp, so give yourself three to five, eight minutes to like Hey,

[ginger_johnson]: everybody, and then have something you want to ask people. One of my

[ginger_johnson]: greatest points I would offer David is when you’re welcoming people into an

[ginger_johnson]: online room as well as a physical room is as what people are grateful for.

[ginger_johnson]: In that moment it can be anything because Gret. You know this, trust it

[ginger_johnson]: gratitude connection at huge. That’s the bed rock when we are grateful. We

[ginger_johnson]: trust when we are grateful we connect all those things. So that’s one of the

[ginger_johnson]: Um pieces. A third piece is

[david_horsager]: So before we gets to number three, I just want to comment. This is really

[david_horsager]: great and what this does? By the way, I, I love where this takes people.

[david_horsager]: because grateful takes people up. right. we started. Uh, we start every one

[david_horsager]: of our weekly meetings as a staff and we’re in person these days, but our

[david_horsager]: number one first question around the boardroom table is what are you

[david_horsager]: grateful or ex? What are you celebrating personally?

[ginger_johnson]: Mhm.

[david_horsager]: And what are you celebrating from last week at work? So what what? what do

[david_horsager]: we celer? It takes us up like. Oh, hell, I just had this happen with my kids

[david_horsager]: or this, and it’s quick our team can whip around it. It’s not some big

[david_horsager]: lungth, and Um, and then the other is. what are you grateful for it? We

[david_horsager]: like. what? what? What are we celebrating at work? And it just brings people

[david_horsager]: toward moving up and forward And it doesn’t mean we don’t have to see the

[david_horsager]: blind spots or deal with mitigating risks or close gaps, And

[ginger_johnson]: right,

[david_horsager]: doesn’t mean we’re certainly not incredibly imperfect here at the institute,

[david_horsager]: but it brings us forward, so I love that. so number one, look at the

[david_horsager]: physical space. I just learned something right there, number two, the

[david_horsager]: emotional space and start by asking a question. Love it next.

[ginger_johnson]: and the third we’ll build on these two is as you let people in. as you show

[ginger_johnson]: up more fully physically. ask different questions, ask intentional

[ginger_johnson]: questions. So I just gave a a dinnery experience for a board of directors in

[ginger_johnson]: Nashville, David and Um, I was brought in to provide you know they’re going

[ginger_johnson]: to eat dinner anyway. So let’s have a a different experience So we get into

[ginger_johnson]: the board meeting better, so we communicate better. So have intentional

[ginger_johnson]: questions. Have questions that are slightly unexpected that are personal

[ginger_johnson]: enough not intimate here. I’ll give you my one, am, my go to is tell the

[ginger_johnson]: story with a certain number of people. You can delineate those people, or

[ginger_johnson]: you can go the whole room. Tell the story of your first paycheck job like.

[ginger_johnson]: Oh, Everybody’s got one of those the stories that come out with that David

[ginger_johnson]: are so fun. they are automatically connecting points they are offering And

[ginger_johnson]: what you’re doing by asking those intentional questions Is you’re helping

[ginger_johnson]: people then immediately, just like you do with your meetings, you set the

[ginger_johnson]: bar higher immediately, So everything that dominos after that is way more

[ginger_johnson]: intentional. Those conversations around that question seemingly innocuious

[ginger_johnson]: yet it’s very strategic because then I get into the headspe’s like, Oh, this

[ginger_johnson]: is something that’s real. It’s not like. if youre an animal. What? What

[ginger_johnson]: would you be like That doesn’t go anywhere?

[david_horsager]: Yeah,

[ginger_johnson]: Who cares? See a draft.

[david_horsager]: Mhm.

[ginger_johnson]: if you talk about. Oh yeah, M shoe store. You got a shoe store. One too, or

[ginger_johnson]: my uncle, or right, my my grandma or something. It goes in a completely.

[ginger_johnson]: It. It’s so much more constructive. It’s so much more meaningful. It

[ginger_johnson]: definitely helps establish trust because you’re sharing a story that’s

[ginger_johnson]: personal. There’s a difference between personal instment, but ask

[ginger_johnson]: intentional questions from the Ge. go,

[david_horsager]: I love this. So we got a question for number two. Which is what are you

[david_horsager]: grateful for Yet? You got exactly. You got a second question. Tell a story

[david_horsager]: of a pi. Do you have one more question? By the way that connects? That could

[david_horsager]: connect in the? Yeah?

[ginger_johnson]: oh, um. I do. One is more personal. Um, what I would see here? What’s

[ginger_johnson]: another? good one? Okay? Sure, yeah, I’ve got a whole lity of them. Um one

[ginger_johnson]: is. there’s a pile of airline tickets in front of you on the table. You pick

[ginger_johnson]: one of those up. You can go anywhere. Where would that be? travel? as you

[ginger_johnson]: and I both know, even before we started recording the show, Travel is a

[ginger_johnson]: portal into who people are. Where do you want to go? I just want. I want to

[ginger_johnson]: stay cation. I’m stay here. I’m turning my phone off. I’m getting the

[ginger_johnson]: movies. I am making cookies. whatever, or it’s Oh, I’m flying off to Gree.

[ginger_johnson]: so I’m going to Duby, or I’m going to Wisconsin. Whatever it is, travel

[david_horsager]: Yep,

[ginger_johnson]: tells a different story about who we are and because we connect so

[ginger_johnson]: differently like I’m sure that the people li i. if you’re listening right

[ginger_johnson]: now, you’ve got your own travel stories and you’ve got your own magic with

[ginger_johnson]: those. whatever

[david_horsager]: Hm,

[ginger_johnson]: that spectrum of magic is from, Oh, from Holy, gets to amazing Grace on that

[ginger_johnson]: one, yet

[david_horsager]: Yes,

[ginger_johnson]: travel next, so that that’s another one. Like where would you go tomorrow?

[ginger_johnson]: You could go anywhere,

[david_horsager]: I, I love it. I, and you could. P. I. I’m just jumping around other things

[david_horsager]: that connect people like. What would you read? What book would you pick up?

[david_horsager]: What would you? you know? Those are? those are. so. Yeah, knowing people

[david_horsager]: connecting more, I got to. I got to jump one more place on this before I get

[david_horsager]: to the next question. And that is you know. I’ve got. I’m just thinking

[david_horsager]: personally, got a massive pharmaceutical company we’re working with. They’re

[david_horsager]: all over the world. Some of the leaders might be in Europe, where all their

[david_horsager]: people are in the States or Japan, or And you know, And and they’re

[ginger_johnson]: right.

[david_horsager]: feeling they, They haven’t gotten together for two years. They, hardly. in

[david_horsager]: many cases they’ve had turnover and they, they’ve never met their boss in

[david_horsager]: person and they’re feeling a an incredible lack of connection, which is is

[david_horsager]: is making it hard to hold people accountable. It’s it’s making it hard to

[david_horsager]: really get. Give clarity on priorities. What would you say to that leader

[david_horsager]: that’s trying to connect with this person they are leading? They’re in

[david_horsager]: another country. There’s a lot of gaps, even communication wise. What are?

[david_horsager]: Is there any simple uh

[david_horsager]: ways?

[ginger_johnson]: Yes, Yes, there are, and I’d love that you use the word simple. There is

[ginger_johnson]: some some ease to simplicity. However simple still requires work which we

[ginger_johnson]: know. so I want to make sure that super up front one of the best ways and

[ginger_johnson]: I’ve worked with some great farmer companies, too. They’re lucky to have

[ginger_johnson]: you, David.

[david_horsager]: H,

[ginger_johnson]: when you think about global teams, which is what you’re setting the stage

[ginger_johnson]: for,

[ginger_johnson]: Intentionally schedule a certain amount of time each week. Invest and

[ginger_johnson]: invest’s not to spend

[ginger_johnson]: in one on ones with your people with your team.

[ginger_johnson]: There’s somebody and I forget the resource right now. I think it might be a

[ginger_johnson]: great game of business. Think of the people you work with as direct

[ginger_johnson]: supports, not direct reports. There’s a difference between support and

[ginger_johnson]: report. And so when you set up, say you’re the c, e o or Cw, Suitet or

[ginger_johnson]: director, whatever it is, And you feeling that dis connection, then set up

[ginger_johnson]: intentional appointments and don’t make them fifteen minutes. Make them a

[ginger_johnson]: half an hour. Make them forty five. whatever that is like, Hey, I want to

[ginger_johnson]: let’s let’s get to know each other better. This isn’t kumba. y. At the same

[ginger_johnson]: time Coumba Ya has some value. So what is the Ya? You’re trying to cumba

[ginger_johnson]: with your team? What do you want to know? You can gaify some of it too.

[ginger_johnson]: Because, because we like well, tell us about the ▁x Yise, He, take a picture

[ginger_johnson]: of you hosting a mug in your backyard. You could put a a montage together of

[ginger_johnson]: the different people and then challenge your team. Say hey, I want to get to

[ginger_johnson]: know all of you. Here’s my schedule. sign up over the next six months, and I

[ginger_johnson]: know that these of these teams are enormous. I get that this is still doable

[ginger_johnson]: because connection like trust happens one at a time. one step, one effort

[ginger_johnson]: would move. So that’s that’s one way to do it. Also, I, whenever I fly

[ginger_johnson]: David, I grab the flight magazine and I, I read the The walkidy walk from

[ginger_johnson]: the airline. I say that with respect, the the head person who’s writing the

[david_horsager]: hm.

[ginger_johnson]: editorial Welcome to you know, United or Alaska, and they, they seem like

[ginger_johnson]: they’re really real people. So the other tip I’ll I’ll leave with This one

[ginger_johnson]: is right like you speak

[ginger_johnson]: like I’ve

[ginger_johnson]: read books. I like your books. I like him. I have them, because I can hear

[ginger_johnson]: your voice to me that engenders not just trust. It helps the message sink in

[ginger_johnson]: better, and in fact, I’ve been to one of your workshops from one of your

[ginger_johnson]: fabulous facilitators like Oh, this feels real. So speak real. conjunct.

[ginger_johnson]: your words like Hi, Are the copy editors? You need to make sure it sounds

[ginger_johnson]: like you’re having a real conversation online or off.

[david_horsager]: this is a really big tip for online. In fact, I heard something brilliant.

[david_horsager]: People seemed to kind of come to some of the same things here. I heard

[david_horsager]: someone, I believe on a maintage. We both together,

[david_horsager]: Aaron King, I believe,

[ginger_johnson]: Oh yes,

[david_horsager]: just jumped in my head. I don’t know her personally,

[ginger_johnson]: Mhm,

[david_horsager]: but she said something she said. If people would just write like they talk,

[david_horsager]: people would want to look at their social media, but instead they say

[david_horsager]: instead they say silly things. Um. and and I’ll be real authentic here. I

[david_horsager]: never liked it. We had our art team and I’ve got a great team. but they

[david_horsager]: would say, Uh, David is honored to speak at wherever today, and I’m like,

[david_horsager]: Uh, I would never say that that. I’m like like I, you know, like, but, but

[david_horsager]: you know there is something about people knowing where you are and whatever

[david_horsager]: we don’t post, hardly as much just because I don’t like. you know. I don’t

[david_horsager]: like doing social media. you know, so that’s kind of get run through. but

[david_horsager]: um, but it’s like you know if I do, I might say something like boy, I

[david_horsager]: learned this well, I was speaking all right. I saw. Have you ever thought of

[david_horsager]: this or uh, you know I, That was interesting and maybe I can bring other

[david_horsager]: people along with me. That just gives an interest a value to them. Not like.

[david_horsager]: Oh, about me. it’s just I. when we start to think of writing even on social

[david_horsager]: media, more like David. Um would say it would speak, it just became much

[david_horsager]: more me, like I was more great, proud of it, and more like Okay, This is on

[david_horsager]: brand. Not that kind of whatever you know, Social speak. Um,

[ginger_johnson]: Yes, and I’ taken my errands classes too. Absolutely you can. you can couch

[ginger_johnson]: your message by starting with the audience and everybody. Frankly, I rarely

[ginger_johnson]: wa the shouldd, but think about that seriously, Because you can get to what

[ginger_johnson]: you offer and if it’s truly an offer, the right person will pick it up. Make

[ginger_johnson]: sure it relates to that audience first. That’s the connection that to trust

[ginger_johnson]: youring tot a hundred percent with you,

[david_horsager]: love it. So I got to get to this because this is interesting. You wrote an

[david_horsager]: article on it. Everybody can learn more Ginger Johnson, Dot com, Ginger

[david_horsager]: Johnson. make it snappy, Ginger. All right, Gingered. I’m sure somebody said

[david_horsager]: that, but that

[david_horsager]: that

[ginger_johnson]: Nicke.

[david_horsager]: you are

[david_horsager]: uh, ginger, Ginger Johnson, Dot com, And um, we’ll see all this in the show

[david_horsager]: notes, and where you can find out a whole lot more of the about this Chief

[david_horsager]: connector and friend of mine, but I want to jump in to the activate the

[david_horsager]: power.

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: Tell us about it.

[ginger_johnson]: like you, David. I’ve written some books and we need to have a cup of coffee

[ginger_johnson]: and find out why you’ve exactly written books. I could hedge, you be. I

[ginger_johnson]: wrote the book because I wanted it to be a tool. It’s actually my second

[ginger_johnson]: book. It’s the connectivity canon, And as I was writing it, I got it. You

[ginger_johnson]: get in. I get into flow. I love to write. Get into flow, and things start

[ginger_johnson]: coming out like. Why? why is this easy for me Or why does this feel easy for

[ginger_johnson]: me? Which is the whole reason I wrote this people’. like you’re so good at

[ginger_johnson]: this. How do you know everybody when you walk in the room like I’m listening

[ginger_johnson]: Different like the ears changed up like a potato head dog like. Oh, they’re

[ginger_johnson]: saying something. There’s something that they want that I can teach them And

[ginger_johnson]: so, as I was writing the canon,

[ginger_johnson]: I realized David that there, there, some themes were coming up over and over

[ginger_johnson]: again. I’m a positive person, just like you. Are they comeing on our

[ginger_johnson]: poorers, So we’re either people or we’re not, and that’s very obvious. Right

[ginger_johnson]: up front, Positive is the first part of power. You must be in the positive

[ginger_johnson]: space, Because if you’re in the positive space, you don’t have room for the

[ginger_johnson]: negative. Either, Right, positive is trusting Positive is silver linings.

[ginger_johnson]: Positive is the snowstorm and I’ve got all the cocoa and goodies I need, and

[ginger_johnson]: I’m inside the object.

[david_horsager]: How do you do it? Oh, weve got to jump in here, Because how do we get? So

[david_horsager]: for good reasons, somebody else has. Um, you know, incobed. They’re in a

[david_horsager]: tiny apartment that.

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: Uh,

[david_horsager]: Mom is trying to lead these kids and she’s doing her job. The husband has

[david_horsager]: coveed, maybe, or your partner has co. whatever they, And, and they’re stuck

[david_horsager]: in this department. This is happening. That’s happening. Their parents just

[david_horsager]: passed away. I mean there, there’s real stuff going on and

[ginger_johnson]: right,

[david_horsager]: and and and the the dog’s sick. What? what do we? You know? How do we? You

[david_horsager]: know? What are some ways we can bring this

[ginger_johnson]: yes,

[david_horsager]: Um positive

[ginger_johnson]: Yes, Yes, you’re right, cause this is not just a cowgon ad.

[david_horsager]: for those that it’s not natural for for

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: you and I? it’s natural right.

[ginger_johnson]: y,

[david_horsager]: It’s it’s natural to start there.

[ginger_johnson]: yes,

[david_horsager]: And and it’s not always fair because we had good for me. I think of my

[david_horsager]: upbring and a whole lot of things that built that in me. That wasn’t because

[david_horsager]: of me. And yet I see what happened to someone else and it’s not their fault

[david_horsager]: that that happened to them. And yet they have to carry a different way thin

[david_horsager]: me, and I’m frustrated. they’re not positive.

[ginger_johnson]: right, right right, you’re absolutely right. I’m glad you stoped the bus and

[ginger_johnson]: said, Hang on. Let’s back up. The Pa. must start with the Y in mind. set.

[ginger_johnson]: the Why is your purpose? it’s your vision. It’s literally shutting your eyes

[ginger_johnson]: if you’re listening right now, close your eyes. take a deep breath and say

[ginger_johnson]: Okay, Why am I doing this thing? What? What is this work? I’ve chosen to

[ginger_johnson]: engage in? What is this spousal arrangement? This these children. The the

[ginger_johnson]: dog, the whatever it is, in every kind of configuration. Why are we doing

[ginger_johnson]: this thing? Why am I waking up and jumping into this? That’s a really really

[ginger_johnson]: big question. That’s learning to trust yourself for the vision. That’s the

[ginger_johnson]: stuff that gets us through the slog and the slew and the muck and a lot of

[ginger_johnson]: people. You’re right. There’s no disrespect to that. There’s whoof. Yeah,

[ginger_johnson]: this is one unprecedented time at the same time. No matter when you’re

[ginger_johnson]: listening to this, there will always. that’s called life welcome. It was not

[ginger_johnson]: an easy pass. It was like this is life. So to pause in those moments or to

[ginger_johnson]: pause the beginning your day. Meditate. whatever meditation doesn’t have to

[ginger_johnson]: be sitting with your legs crossed. It’s pausing in a ▁quiet space in a

[ginger_johnson]: closet in the corner of the kitchen, outside on your stoop or on your

[ginger_johnson]: balcony.

[ginger_johnson]: O, Okay self, remind me, taugh, self talk, I think is really powerful. Uh,

[ginger_johnson]: and and rescenter, why are we doing this? We’ve both had you know. in our

[ginger_johnson]: conversation day we talk about like we, the tough stuff and getting through

[ginger_johnson]: in it while it might feel very frivolous or white collar like. actually, it

[ginger_johnson]: still matters. There’s nothing small about anybody’s life, So to

[david_horsager]: Mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: reframe and get back into the why we’re doing this thing and then give

[ginger_johnson]: yourself the permission. That’s a whole other topic we can talk about

[ginger_johnson]: another time. The permission

[david_horsager]: Mhm, mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: slips to let go of what still is congesting the traffic of your life. Once

[ginger_johnson]: you’ve got that ye re established. Okay, I marry this person ’cause I love

[ginger_johnson]: them. I mean still on that space is is still a relationship I’m willing to

[ginger_johnson]: invest in. Yes, then the mindse that’s where the power starts to come in. If

[ginger_johnson]: I’m going to say yes to this that I’m choosing the choice. I am choosing

[david_horsager]: mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: to be in the positive mindset. What is that that means? looking for the

[ginger_johnson]: positive, looking for the Y in the road? as I toll in my book too, and I

[ginger_johnson]: teach myth model. When we reach those wise, it’s not a yes or no. it’s it’s

[ginger_johnson]: a stay or go, David. So we stay

[david_horsager]: Mm.

[ginger_johnson]: the course or we go in a different direction So you’re right. we need to tea

[david_horsager]: Yep,

[ginger_johnson]: up. This is not just some piece of fluff.

[david_horsager]: yeah, and I I want to get to the others, but I I love this because I know

[david_horsager]: you and you are. um, a fullj. You’re You bring positive and you exude it and

[david_horsager]: it’s so fun, but you also are real And that’s what I love about this. It’s

[david_horsager]: not just some kind of coumb. By Aw, it’s like and the and the w. by the way

[david_horsager]: for people is is a y in the road. It’s not just just having the y. the

[david_horsager]: purpose. A couple

[ginger_johnson]: Yes,

[david_horsager]: of ideas come to mind that I want to link together of what you already said.

[david_horsager]: Um, but you said pause. maybe pause and breathe in a moment. That can help

[david_horsager]: us think positive. Uh, for me, exercise can help me. Movement can help me be

[david_horsager]: Uh, more positive. letting things go. But one thing you said already, Uh

[david_horsager]: earlier, being grateful so at least it calls it. see the good. Uh, my wife,

[david_horsager]: leasta

[ginger_johnson]: yes, yes,

[david_horsager]: see the good. and sometimes we’re like Oh the K. something in the morning

[david_horsager]: like we’re This is frustrating and that’s happened or what? The kid? What

[david_horsager]: kind of choice do they don? Watch us as amazing parents that we are

[david_horsager]: you. But, but we’ll hold hands in bed, Uh, before we get up or before we

[david_horsager]: sleep, and we’ll just say Okay. What are you grateful for? We? gra. we got

[david_horsager]: to stop that talk and it’s not that we don’t want to see the negative and

[david_horsager]: deal with it? Um, but we got to pause and just start naming the good if we

[david_horsager]: really get. if’. Frustrated about something. There’s holding hands and

[david_horsager]: saying, Oh yeah, but I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful that that does

[david_horsager]: shift toward positive for us. So it’s one idea that piggybas on what you’re

[david_horsager]: doing, so the pe is positive. Oh,

[ginger_johnson]: Oh is objective. I debated between open minded and objective, David and

[ginger_johnson]: objective quickly rose to the top. You can have a whole room of people and I

[ginger_johnson]: do this when I’ giving keynote’s main stages like raise your hand. If you

[ginger_johnson]: think you’re open minded, what’s going to happen? Everybody can raise her

[ginger_johnson]: hand or stand up. You can see this comage should fish and barrel. And then

[ginger_johnson]: if I say okay, keep your hand raised or stay standing. If you’ll join me for

[ginger_johnson]: some raw octopus pizza. Like what happens? Most people sit down now. That

[ginger_johnson]: might seem slightly ridiculous and know I’m not going to serve that up,

[ginger_johnson]: because I don’t particularly care for octopus. But the point is that

[ginger_johnson]: objective is suspending judgment.

[ginger_johnson]: Open minded is a self prescribed. Yeah, I’m open mind ever is going to say

[ginger_johnson]: Theyre open minded. Well, what are you

[david_horsager]: y.

[ginger_johnson]: open to Is the qualifier If you’re objective, Your suspending judgment again

[ginger_johnson]: if you’re in that ▁zone, you literally can’t be judgmental. The objective is

[ginger_johnson]: the curious. In fact, a concept. I teach that some of my leaders absolutely

[ginger_johnson]: love is hypercurious, David. When we are hypercurious, that objectivity just

[ginger_johnson]: goes bonkers. Like whoh? there I go. The whole sandbox is mine because I

[ginger_johnson]: think. Oh, then what’s possible in this and you start to chase the chain of

[ginger_johnson]: the open ended journalistic questions. I call the pros and the who? What?

[ginger_johnson]: Why we wehow, And which? and then just like you and Lisa like, Oh, yeah, the

[ginger_johnson]: frame completely switches. The stuff is still there. yet that stuff is also

[ginger_johnson]: different, too. We inherently change the stuff because we change ourselves

[ginger_johnson]: so objective, suspending judgment. What’s really going on here? That’s what

[ginger_johnson]: objective is about?

[david_horsager]: hm. I love it, and we got the great seven questions. Okay, here we go, pa Pa

[david_horsager]: power with a w.

[ginger_johnson]: Oh,

[ginger_johnson]: While the number one trait desired by Boards for C, E Os is reliability,

[ginger_johnson]: reliability relies on willingness. Willing is the W. You’ve got to be

[ginger_johnson]: willing, David. I know you know that you’ve got to be willing to trust.

[ginger_johnson]: You’ve gotta be willing to connect. You’ve gotta be willing to walk through

[ginger_johnson]: that door or to get on the screen to do the thing to get to the. the, the

[ginger_johnson]: objectives, the goals, the accomplishments, to enjoy a great sunset with

[ginger_johnson]: family. Whatever that is,

[ginger_johnson]: that willingness is the the propulsion. I would say that iss the most

[ginger_johnson]: important piece of power when we are willing. We literally we are open.

[ginger_johnson]: Where our our physicality is open. our physiology is open, and we say all

[ginger_johnson]: right, this is what I chosen again, founded in the Y, and the mindset that

[ginger_johnson]: willingness really gets goes from from from momentum and traraction to

[ginger_johnson]: turning into a fly wheel, which that self

[david_horsager]: Hm.

[ginger_johnson]: perpetuation,

[david_horsager]: I love it. I love something you said a while ago. Connection happens one at

[david_horsager]: a time. Now we’ve got po, p. o w, positive. objective and willing. You’ve

[david_horsager]: given us so much in just twenty, Uh, some minutes. Boom, so let’s go here

[david_horsager]: because let’s get a little bit personal on. everybody has dinner parties.

[david_horsager]: Everybody’s trying to connect with people at home. You wrote a great article

[david_horsager]: on connection over dinner. and maybe that’s just with our own family. But

[david_horsager]: what are some ideas we got? There’s technology. there’s interruptions.

[david_horsager]: There’s this is one of the things My pet peeve is Actually people, not not

[david_horsager]: the people, but if people wear a smart watch and don’t have it shut off. You

[david_horsager]: know what I mean. Oh, I got to. Oh, I got Buz buzz buzz like I’ve got an old

[david_horsager]: fashioned one. but partly I, just that when every every time they jerk when

[david_horsager]: the their arm buzzes it, it just is like. Oh, my goodness, am I here or

[david_horsager]: what? So how do we do it in this new world? How do we kind of have? Give us

[david_horsager]: some tips for connecting over dinner?

[ginger_johnson]: Yeah, great question. First of all, I’m sure you’ve heard of you. Put the

[ginger_johnson]: the cell phone pile somewhere in the first one. like if you’re at a

[ginger_johnson]: restaurant, the first one who picks

[david_horsager]: Yep,

[ginger_johnson]: up has to pay. Okay if you’re going to do a punishment. Do something that

[ginger_johnson]: you really don’t want to do. It’s like Yeah, I Bt dinner for everybody. No,

[ginger_johnson]: No donate to something that you hate. Anyway, it hates us. You know what’m

[ginger_johnson]: saying? How

[david_horsager]: yeah, yeah,

[ginger_johnson]: do you? you set the premise, you set the tone. We’re only distracted if we

[ginger_johnson]: let ourselves be. So for example, your your team with the farmer company you

[ginger_johnson]: mentioned. There’s no

[david_horsager]: Mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: Shananagans once we’re getting into business, and this business happens to

[ginger_johnson]: have some very profound impacts, so don’t allow or let me rephrase that, so

[ginger_johnson]: as positive, set the bar, set the tone be the example for saying there is no

[ginger_johnson]: distraction. So put your things over there. put them in the other room.

[ginger_johnson]: whatever it is. Collect them. If you need to do that, then do that. Nobody’s

[ginger_johnson]: going to die if you’re not wearing your smart phone or your watch or

[ginger_johnson]: whatever those do, hickies are, we mean. You remember the days where you

[ginger_johnson]: still grab the phone from the wall, right like

[david_horsager]: I know,

[ginger_johnson]: we didn’t wonder

[david_horsager]: and

[ginger_johnson]: who ising while we’re all running errands. Um, so

[david_horsager]: exactly.

[ginger_johnson]: set one as the leader and a leader By the way is not position

[ginger_johnson]: descriptive. You can lead in every single way, shape or form age, make model

[ginger_johnson]: size, color position, whatever it is, Be the leader in your own mind, Say,

[ginger_johnson]: I’m not going to let myself get distracted. This is a choice, so I’m going

[ginger_johnson]: to do this if you are the leader. If you’re the organizer, then set that

[ginger_johnson]: tone of you know no cellphs. And you say it. it’s kind of like being on an

[ginger_johnson]: airplane, you, or leave your seat. Beelt fasted. Well, we all hear the

[ginger_johnson]: people uncicking And I always think. What are you trying to prove or why are

[ginger_johnson]: you doing that? Like what is that accomplished? It doesn’t accomplish

[ginger_johnson]: anything, so being

[ginger_johnson]: benevolent, being being a a kind leader and still being firm First of all,

[ginger_johnson]: when they know you’re serious, they will follow suit. You know this. that’s

[david_horsager]: Mhm,

[ginger_johnson]: trust. That’s also stronger connection. Like okay, Well, David’s telling me

[ginger_johnson]: I have to do this and then all of a sudden what David’s given me is that is

[ginger_johnson]: that invite to say, Ginger. I want you here and this matters so I’m goingnna

[ginger_johnson]: help you be focused. So that’s one thing at at dinner parties. Like I just

[ginger_johnson]: gave the A board of directors at a Um, advanced Practitioner board retreat

[ginger_johnson]: before their board meeting and I had teeed up with those question. Some of

[ginger_johnson]: those questions. Why do I want them to intentionally talk about to get

[ginger_johnson]: different kinds of juices flowing so they connect with each other in a a new

[ginger_johnson]: more meaningful way? Once you start doing that as a habit as a pattern, then

[ginger_johnson]: it starts to take off by itself. And then hey, how about this pass the baton

[ginger_johnson]: once in a while. who is your right hand? Who’s another person that we rarely

[ginger_johnson]: hear from, which is a whole other conversation. For another time, there’s

[ginger_johnson]: different ways to make sure everybody contributes and participates in a way

[ginger_johnson]: that matters and is meaningful. So Passington, you know you said Ginger. I

[ginger_johnson]: want you to do this this time like. Oh, okay, Well, give me a couple guard

[ginger_johnson]: rails. You think okay, this is you. I’m trusting you. Go for it. Make it

[ginger_johnson]: yours Okay. when given the opportunity, I think Everybody listening, David.

[ginger_johnson]: I think you know this. I know I know this. When given the opportunity and

[ginger_johnson]: teeed up in a safe space with grace, everybody rises to the challenge.

[david_horsager]: Hm, Mhm, Hm,

[ginger_johnson]: That’s powerful.

[david_horsager]: I love it past the baton. Let

[ginger_johnson]: Yeah,

[david_horsager]: people rise to the challenge. Let people lead love some of so that you can

[david_horsager]: use power right in the dinner party. All these

[david_horsager]: things work together, So wow, droping a lot here. Yes, go ahead,

[ginger_johnson]: y. absolutely. There’s

[ginger_johnson]: let me one little tiny proscript when you’re in those moments and you see it

[ginger_johnson]: going sideways Because it’s not always going to go forward When you see it

[ginger_johnson]: going sideways and the positively starts to you know. Detour to the

[ginger_johnson]: negative. Then it’s your responsibility to bring in bond back and what you

[ginger_johnson]: can do. A couple symbols, whether you watching or listening. Um, if you’re

[ginger_johnson]: watching, you can see this if you’re listening. Make your hands in the sign

[ginger_johnson]: of the Universal tea syndrome the time out,

[ginger_johnson]: and bring it on back yet. So if we’re talking and I start to go down a

[ginger_johnson]: rabbit trail, David, you can hold up. Make that tea symbol where your tips

[ginger_johnson]: of one hand hit the inside of the the middle of your other hand and say hang

[ginger_johnson]: on ginger. Now that thing you are talking about earlier, you can just get

[ginger_johnson]: rid of the stuff that started turning negative and go back to what the point

[ginger_johnson]: was or where

[david_horsager]: h.

[ginger_johnson]: the conversation really is going to flourish. you know, D. Ginger, when you

[ginger_johnson]: were talking about this thing, Uh, tell me more. tell me more. it’s a

[ginger_johnson]: phenomenal phrase.

[david_horsager]: mhm.

[ginger_johnson]: Tell me more about that. Let’s keep going on that

[ginger_johnson]: you can

[david_horsager]: Yep,

[ginger_johnson]: phys. You do that. I raise my hand if I’m in a room or I’m an interview or

[ginger_johnson]: something like that, and people like, Oh, Oh, you have something. So that’s

[ginger_johnson]: that’s like a kind interruption tactic too, cause all of a sudden people are

[ginger_johnson]: wondering. Should I be doing this? It just stops. pauses. It’s kind you’re

[ginger_johnson]: not being read like I used to be a radio host. I wish I could raised my hand

[ginger_johnson]: on the radio so those arequial tactics to help bring it on back more in that

[ginger_johnson]: vein of connection, trust, power and and progress,

[david_horsager]: loads of uh, just little tips. and with the phrase of tell me more and you

[david_horsager]: know

[david_horsager]: just

[david_horsager]: a lot here. I’ so grateful for you. Where can we find out more? You’ve got a

[david_horsager]: couple great books. We’re going to put all this in the show, Not trusted

[david_horsager]: Leader show Dot com.

[david_horsager]: Where where do you want us to come? Where can we connect with you? First?

[ginger_johnson]: So good, David. Thank you. I’m so honored to be here. Uh, Ginger Johnckson

[ginger_johnson]: Dot com. That was a joke for those who listening to earlier, Geninger

[ginger_johnson]: Johnson, dot Com is where the nexus is. You can go there. You can connect

[ginger_johnson]: with me. You can set up an appointment. If you’ve got a stage, you’re

[ginger_johnson]: looking to have somebody great. If David’s already been there. Go to him

[ginger_johnson]: first. If you’re looking for another great person, I’d love to be there. The

[ginger_johnson]: book is on there. It’s a brand new site working with your friends and mine

[ginger_johnson]: from video narrative, Um, and speaker real. Everything starts there. I’m

[david_horsager]: Yept, before I get to the final question. So Ginger Chason dot com, but the

[ginger_johnson]: very active on Linkton, Would love to hear from some leaders. What was

[ginger_johnson]: useful would love to find out from you. Ah, oh mighty listener. But that’s

[ginger_johnson]: that’s where it’s all going down the book and the whole nine yards.

[david_horsager]: final question before you get the final question. one more connection. Tip.

[david_horsager]: you can put from anything you’ve written or said, one. ▁ote statement or tip

[ginger_johnson]: Yes, I got it.

[ginger_johnson]: Watch your language, and this isn’t your eighth grade English teacher

[ginger_johnson]: telling you this. Go for the positive, One of the best piece of advice I’ve

[ginger_johnson]: ever gotten in my life. Jack Anderson from the Ace Hardware Corporation.

[ginger_johnson]: Interesting, his lasting startars with Andy is to use. and instead of butt,

[ginger_johnson]: replace your aunt, and you change your world. Andne is additive, but to

[david_horsager]: Mhm.

[ginger_johnson]: subtractive, dismiss of discounting leaders. think about the end. It’s the

[ginger_johnson]: classic improv, Yes, and start with Anne, The Magic Vand is a life changer

[ginger_johnson]: challenge yourself. Have somebody you do this with any time somebody says,

[ginger_johnson]: But catch him. do a hand. Do some sort of something like. Oh right changes

[ginger_johnson]: everything.

[david_horsager]: Absolutely,

[david_horsager]: here we are

[ginger_johnson]: Okay

[david_horsager]: landing the plane that we could. we could fly to another. We could

[ginger_johnson]: or

[david_horsager]: fly to another city of connection. We could make another connection. Right,

[ginger_johnson]: yes’s, so many great people

[david_horsager]: this is not a connecting flight. We have to land this one final question.

[david_horsager]: Final question is’ the trusted leader Show, who’s the leader you trust And

[david_horsager]: why,

[ginger_johnson]: I’m going to pick to day from the whole army of people. I’m grateful to know

[ginger_johnson]: Terry Cardin, Terry Carton has started multiple businesses. She’s a software

[ginger_johnson]: engineer. She serves associations. I look at Cherry as a trusted leader

[ginger_johnson]: because she’s a hundred per cent real. Just like you were talking earlier.

[ginger_johnson]: She iss truly what Authentic says In the dictionary. She’s having fun. She’s

[ginger_johnson]: living in the life. She’s doing the thing she’s digging in. She never loses

[ginger_johnson]: her sense of humor. She always has her sense of empathy and humanity

[ginger_johnson]: and I, she’s so much fun to be with. I think that fun leaders are so

[ginger_johnson]: grounded, And so Terry is Terry’s leader. Absolutely trust, Ah, I adore and

[ginger_johnson]: I encourage anybody who wants to look at somebody like her to look her up

[ginger_johnson]: for sure.

[david_horsager]: Fantastic Ginger. thank you so much for being here. Thanks for being my

[david_horsager]: friend. That’s been the trusted leader Show this time until next time

[david_horsager]: stay trusted.