David Horsager: Welcome to the trusted leader Show. Today I have a special guest. He’s a friend. He’s been a former NFL football player. He’s an amazing dad and a really an amazing leader.

David Horsager: What we say on and off the platform. And he has a public space. He certainly in but he is

David Horsager: The Chief Operations Officer and he’s been that for last 26 years of the Colorado Rockies, one of the most beautiful places in America to watch a ball game on a beautiful night, looking at the Colorado mountains welcome Greg Feasel.

Greg Feasel: Well, thanks. Thanks for having me.

David Horsager: Greg it’s it’s a truly have you on what you’re just talking to these executives, we have listening. The, the, really, it’s it’s trusted leaders and that’s what we’re going for. But what should everybody know about Greg diesel give us three things.

Greg Feasel: Oh, three things.

Greg Feasel: You know, make it simple.

Greg Feasel: You know what you tell people, that’s what you do.

Greg Feasel: And know that your word and and you know character stands for something and you know don’t don’t lose sight of any of those

David Horsager: Love it when you think about, you know, going back to the football days and. Can you think back to some

David Horsager: You know great coaches not great coaches not naming anybody but like when you saw someone that was someone I trust it, and why that was someone who made a difference, any stories come to mind is way back when you were a player.

Greg Feasel: Um, yeah, I mean there’s there’s tons of stories. I mean, we learn from the good things that people do and we learn from you know the not so good things that people do and and none of us are perfect. And, you know, we’re not we’re not made perfect, but no, there’s

Greg Feasel: I think for me it’s, you know, I take a little bit from this person I take a little bit from

Greg Feasel: That person and I mean I’ll tell you a story about dick for male when I was with the eagles.

Greg Feasel: My guess is he would never remember this, but I was a nobody. I was, uh, I had tried out they invited me to camp.

Greg Feasel: It was the year after they went to the Super Bowl. But, I mean, I was really i was about as far from somebody as you could get and

Greg Feasel: You know, and that’s back in the days when they would have you know hundred people show up to training camps and I was walking over from the, from the dorm to practice and

Greg Feasel: He walked with me and and talked with me, and you know, you might say, well, that, you know, what does that say about you know being a leader or being a trusted leader but

Greg Feasel: The fact that he would take the time out and he would walk with me versus, you know, Bill bercy or Ron Jaworski or Wilbur Montgomery. And one of the things he said to me was, you know. Nothing good ever happens after midnight, and it’s just a little thing.

Greg Feasel: But the seeds. We plant in people. You have no idea. You know how they impact lives and to this day, I mean that sticks in my mind. And it was just a you know a little walk and

Greg Feasel: Yeah, so the little things like that pop up in my head all the time and help keep me going.

David Horsager: Let me jump back and forth here a little bit, but jump into basically Chief Operations Officer running operations there at the

David Horsager: Rockies, and really run a whole lot, and I’ve seen you do it and senior in the role, but

David Horsager: You know, a couple of times we’ve we I think specifically of a time we walk the stadium and we walked I it seemed like every square foot all the way around down to where you hold people if they’re

David Horsager: Getting a fight and have to go to jail, whatever, but but you you know you walked with me and that brings that back to me from on the field from players, but I just the winnings. I liked about you and just noticed is no matter who it was.

David Horsager: Your owner or your top player or the person is probably I would say, especially the person

David Horsager: You know, washing down the the the pretzel stand you notice them and you talk to him. And you said hi to him. And it seems like you know everybody you maybe got something from

David Horsager: From dick and walking around the stadium and knowing everybody and saying hi to everybody. I mean, how has some of that really affected how you are as a leader there.

Greg Feasel: Yeah, I mean yeah it all plays it all plays into that and i mean you you know you treat people how you want to be treated. I mean, the golden rule and you know people want to. They want to be recognized.

Greg Feasel: And at the end of the day you know I’m in the service business and, you know, my job is not to have someone serve me but me to serve them and, you know, back to the meal. The example is

Greg Feasel: It really kind of blew me away that that he would take the time to to me was just me and him. So I mean, and there’s other people walk. He’s walking with me.

Greg Feasel: So it made a huge impact on my life and I’m sure he has no idea

David Horsager: One thing you and I have talked about a little bit is health and you know you got your body was probably beat up a little bit. They’re playing playing in the NFL and and i know

David Horsager: We also talked about how we eat. We talked about how we exercise. I’ve been in the workout workout center there at the Rockies, or at least it’s spring training with you.

David Horsager: But I just think one of the big things we talked about as leaders is is really, you know, if you’re, you got to lead yourself.

Greg Feasel: You got to have your own trumpets.

David Horsager: And I just think of for you even personally what habits. Do you have these days that just help you live out what you believe it can be physically funny, you know, faith, whatever. But you’re you’re living a certain way there. But what habits do you put in place here. Lean yourself well

Greg Feasel: Sure. I mean, there’s a there’s a ton of them my

Greg Feasel: I don’t know that my wife would call them all good habits, simple things like you know I’m an early riser and I you know I think it’s

Greg Feasel: I think it’s important to, you know, not let grass grow under your feet and I don’t expect everyone to get up at, you know, five o’clock, like I do, but I’ve been

Greg Feasel: I’ve been doing it. And I think, you know, people they miss a lot in life they miss a lot with their families. They missed stuff with work because

Greg Feasel: You know they’re they’re frantic they’re pushing the snooze alarm, you know, three or four times.

Greg Feasel: So I mean that that’s an important thing to me. One of the things I learned in in college. I wasn’t

Greg Feasel: The best

Greg Feasel: Student I was the first one in my family either side to go to college and so that first semester you know I’m away from home. I never really been anywhere away from home and

Greg Feasel: I didn’t really know how to study. You know, I went to a small school and just didn’t have the background. So I didn’t do well my first semester and I had one of the talk to me and say,

Greg Feasel: You know, you’re gonna you know flunk out and I didn’t want to be the first one in my family to go to college and then flunk out of college.

Greg Feasel: He said, just, you know, again, back to being simple, he said, Just sit on the front row. I’m not gonna tell you anything else go to class but sit on the front row and

Greg Feasel: You know it is that a habit.

Greg Feasel: But it’s important to me to be at the front of the room versus the back of the room. I mean, in Proverbs quick to listen slow to speak. I can’t tell you how many times you know that’s saved me.

Greg Feasel: In in number of situations athletics Rockies my days with Coca Cola. Yeah, so there’s

Greg Feasel: Yeah, you know, the things you put in your body, the things you put in your mind. I start the day I get up early. I start the day and I just finished.

Greg Feasel: The bible in a year.

Greg Feasel: And I think it’s important that when you get up in the morning what you start putting in your mind. The same way that you know what you put in your mouth it and you know you and I have talked about

Greg Feasel: You know, I eat within the first 30 minutes of getting up because, you know, you’ve got to put fuel in your body. So I know I kind of bounced around but

Greg Feasel: You know, I think its fundamentals. I was an offensive lineman and you know offensive linemen are all about you know fundamentals. Where do your feet go. Where are your hands. Do you know what the snap count is

Greg Feasel: You know, do you show up to practice on time. That stuff goes a long ways to

Greg Feasel: You know making you successful and a happy person.

Greg Feasel: That’s

David Horsager: You know, we talked about a lot here about the what you input equals output right

David Horsager: Right. Little things then because they make the big difference, but it’s whatever you put in, which put in your body, which put in your marriage, which put in your leadership what you put in your, you know, in everything matters and

David Horsager: Into relationships into everything. So I think absolutely. It’s the truth, it’s the truth from

David Horsager: Everything to business to psychology thoughts that go in lead to desires which lead to actions. That’s the basic psychology to first law of thermodynamics, the energy put is the same as

David Horsager: Yours, you get out. I mean, it’s the same. So that’s, that’s absolutely true. You know, we out. We also talked a lot about you know how you’re doing leadership alone, you’re doing it wrong. How do you, how do you surround yourself. I know you’ve you’ve had a team you believe in team.

David Horsager: But we’re. Who are you, you’re kind of up at the top, you’re, you’re probably and I’m making assumptions here but you know owners expect certain things and you’ve got you’ve got a lot of the operation side. But still there’s players that expect certain things.

David Horsager: Sure how the field is you got all these people that are expecting things. How are you, you know, kind of finding a team to not just lead but to really keep you accountable and and also encouraged.

Greg Feasel: To me a truly make comes down, you’re not trying to be simple, but I’m just a dumb offensive alignment. It comes down to a couple things is

Greg Feasel: At the beginning of everything. The worst thing is not to know. So for me the worst thing is not to know for the people I work with the worst thing for them is not to know. So spend a lot of time, you know, face to face.

Greg Feasel: I have weekly meetings with my staff and it’d be no different with, you know, customers or people that were engaged with

Greg Feasel: You, you’ve got to be in front of them. And then, you know, normally when you have problems is when you don’t have that that constant contact or that relationship. And you know, that’s why. You know, I think it’s extremely important, so

Greg Feasel: And we’ve got good. We’ve got good people here. They’ve been here long time they the institutional knowledge we have around here. We’re more like a family.

Greg Feasel: I mean I have seven direct reports and five of her longer than me and I’m going into my 26th season. So we’re truly a family. We don’t always agree, but, you know, we usually end up going in the same direction.

David Horsager: You’ve been leading through a crazy pandemic last year, you know, what do you learn

Greg Feasel: Patience.

Greg Feasel: And you know, you got to continue to be prepared. You know, we’re right now we’re, you know, talking about the season and scheduled to start April 1 and which is, you know, right around the corner and spring training, you know, the middle of February and

Greg Feasel: You know, you just kind of have to balance those two things and you know with this pandemic for all of us. It’s, you know, whether it’s having people here having them work at home remotely, you know, how do you keep that all together, but also keep the business running

Greg Feasel: It’s, it’s

Greg Feasel: It’s been a challenge I think everyone has done a great job here. We didn’t lay off any full time people which

Greg Feasel: You know came down from our owner and

Greg Feasel: You know, just very proud of everything that the the staff has done and I think, you know, we’re all going to come out of this.

Greg Feasel: We’re gonna, we’re going to see things different which that’s what this pandemic is you know it’s it’s caused us all to look about, you know, how do we have, we’ve been operating how we can operate in the future.

Greg Feasel: So, you know, that’s been a positive and then, you know, coming out of this were, you know, I really think it’s, you know, I’m you know what is 2021 look like it’s probably a transition year and we get back to more

Greg Feasel: You know where we were in 19. Mm hmm.

David Horsager: I did a I did a talk this morning and

David Horsager: You know 15 things I learned from 2022 I’ll use forever.

David Horsager: And one of those one of those ideas was that idea of what happens when you when you’re forced to take a break or for staff change, you know, forced to kind of forcing yourself to have sabbatical.

David Horsager: What do you think, and it seems like in some ways things won’t be the same. What, what won’t change what will be better different when you get to

David Horsager: Like because of this pandemic, you see anything that when you think about it, you know, down the road. They are there things that you’re changing long, long term because of going through kind of such a transformational time

Greg Feasel: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it’d be a long list to go down. You know what’s going to change forever. I think, you know, for the person looking outside at organization. I don’t know that they’re going to see sweeping change.

Greg Feasel: From the outside, but definitely from the inside. I think you know we’ve all learned to that we’re not perfect. And we’ve learned to work smarter and you know I when you when you brought up the pandemic, you know, personally.

Greg Feasel: You know, I live south of town. And, you know, right next open space and I had, I had a mountain bike that I haven’t written in five years, and

Greg Feasel: You know, I was doing you know 30 4050 miles a week because I was able to do that and and I haven’t time with my family in the summer, ever. I mean, my wife and my daughter don’t know any different. And I know your schedule travel

Greg Feasel: You know you’ve spent more nights at home than you have, and years.

Greg Feasel: To decades. Yeah.

Greg Feasel: Yeah, so I think all those things apply. Yeah.

David Horsager: What do you, what are you doing now to get better.

David Horsager: What are you doing to keep learning growing, what do you, what do you

Greg Feasel: Do in these days, you know, I’m, you know,

Greg Feasel: You know, one of the questions that Kevin sent me was, you know, you know what book have you read lately, and I’ve really, you know, been trying to spend, you know, more time in the Bible and

Greg Feasel: And

Greg Feasel: Just, you know, continue to pull things out our churches here for the most part have been

Greg Feasel: Other than those first couple months have been having people come back so

Greg Feasel: You know, spending time at church and sorry sharper edge you know just sharpening the sword there. And then, you know, as it relates to, you know, the business side, you know, spending time

Greg Feasel: Zooming like we’re doing right now with my counterparts. And you know what have they learned, you know, the same thing. You’re asking me, you know what, uh, what have you learned

Greg Feasel: And trying to apply those come

David Horsager: How much of an island. Are you on like do you talk to

David Horsager: You know the all the presidents or

David Horsager: Chief Operating officers of the

David Horsager: Just all the other clubs you it’s a

David Horsager: Pretty close knit group you check in. How you doing with this.

Greg Feasel: Sure, yeah. Yeah, there’s there’s like little offshoots like you know if you’re if you’re a mid market club, there’s like a little cluster that you know we share information we bounce things off of each other. And then, yeah, there’s, you know, the bigger groups.

Greg Feasel: But I’d say we, we, I spend more. I personally spend more time whether you know clubs that are like us and how are they doing things like markets. Yeah, it’s, there’s only 30 of us, so it’s

David Horsager: You know, it’s not that Minnesota Twins are kind of in your market. Right.

David Horsager: Yep, same market so

Greg Feasel: Yeah.

David Horsager: Good old twins. I just spoke to the leadership and staff there recently as all zoom, obviously. Instead, but

David Horsager: Fun Fun Time fact

Greg Feasel: Yeah, and they, they do a great job. Dave St. Peter’s does a great job. Yeah.

David Horsager: It’s great stuff. What about you know you had this transition pro football. And then, you know, this time in corporate and

David Horsager: Coca Cola it seem like you’re moved up leadership pretty fast there and he tells her, you call yourself a dumb lineman but you’re kind of at the top of what anyone would want to be at in sports running a operations of a great organization like the Rockies.

David Horsager: We know but we know I know better. And I know, I know you’re real true humility to. But go back to that corporate world Coca Cola. What was some learning that

David Horsager: As a leader there you are growing your over sales for a time. What was there a tipping point in time there that stands out as a leader as far as the opportunity to grow, what happened.

Greg Feasel: Oh yeah, there was there was telling you know back to, you know, you take this from this person and that from that person and

Greg Feasel: You know, I don’t know why, you know, I’m very operational minded and I didn’t know that, you know, growing up. But when I got into Coke, it just

Greg Feasel: It just, it kind of all fit, you know, I, for whatever reason, you know, I picked up on distribution and production and and the numbers and you know how things look and you know coke is it’s a very operational already in business, but it’s also

Greg Feasel: I wouldn’t call it

Greg Feasel: Was gonna say with the word entertainment, but it’s not that

Greg Feasel: You know everything needs to look good. So, the product is face, the product is clean the it’s not expired.

Greg Feasel: You know, you know where your display is in position to your competitor.

Greg Feasel: You know, all that stuff has really helped me and understanding the beverage business has helped me. Do what you know I do here. Yeah. Yeah. And you know I had, I had a lot more people who work for me there and

Greg Feasel: Covered a you know a lot more ground. So it was

Greg Feasel: It was it was a great experience. I mean, it was you know my degree is not in business. But my business degree was a Coca Cola, and it was a great training ground.

David Horsager: It’s great. Well, for a guy that flunked out of college.

David Horsager: Had to get two degrees in some way.

Greg Feasel: Right. Yeah, it was close.

David Horsager: Competency competency bill, it’s not bad. What um

David Horsager: Any when you think about it, like with your team, whether it’s now Coca Cola what rhythms do use like are their rhythms. You sit like you always

David Horsager: Have a weekly meeting every daily, meaning you you try to do this or their rhythms that you kind of have with your team stay connected delete or to build trust.

Greg Feasel: Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, you’ve got to be. You’ve got to be interacting with people and you’ve got to do it, you know, all the time, and which is the one thing that’s you know it’s been a little tough on

Greg Feasel: You know having people not always here so you know you got so many people working remotely.

Greg Feasel: And I think it’s whether it be families. Now, families are jammed in the houses right now, but that sense of community and camaraderie, you know, whether it’s in a clubhouse or locker room or in an office setting.

Greg Feasel: You know, we’re with each other here, you know, we are with our families, and then, you know, to your point earlier on high expectations.

Greg Feasel: You know, we have

Greg Feasel: Bank covenants, you know we we make commitments to Major League Baseball. We make commitments to our sponsors. We make promises to our fans and you know meeting all those expectations.

Greg Feasel: You’ve gotta, you gotta you know do it together. I love it.

David Horsager: Hey, my producer in here loves baseball. I don’t know if he’s gonna ask about baseball or not, but I always give an opportunity to ask a question to each guest and he’s getting his MBA sitting right here.

David Horsager: Listen, all the amazing people. We get the opportunity and everybody can what’s, what do you have, what do you have for a cat. A question for Greg visa.

David Horsager: So obviously the past year plus because of the pandemic and all the different things going on, has been definitely a challenge, to say the least.

David Horsager: For a lot of people, how, how have you been able to balance, like all these different expectations, all these different things. I mean, you have obviously

David Horsager: You’re running a business that’s obviously important, but like, how do you deal with all these different changes. I mean, especially with baseball. I mean, it’s like seasons. Not happening.

David Horsager: Then the spirits happening all those certain things. How do you deal with those different high kind of high stress times when you’re having to deal with all of these different scenarios and stuff. How have you been able to deal with that in a good way.

Sure.

Greg Feasel: Yeah. Somebody I don’t know where I know I heard it, or I read it that you know showed a picture of a bridge, and it was like five ton weight limit.

Greg Feasel: And, you know, there’s, you know, hundreds of tons that go over the bridge each day. But, you know, at one time, it can only handle five tons and, you know, we really, you know, especially this year. You take one thing at a time and

Greg Feasel: Yeah. And there you do have some people who, you know, they want to go. Okay, well what happens if six months down the road. Well, we’re not able to deal with that right now. So you deal with what’s in front of you and and

Greg Feasel: You know the toughest thing for a lot of people is to act and the second toughest thing is they don’t want to do the thing they fear the most. And

Greg Feasel: So many times, the thing to fear the most of those decisions that are right in front of us that have to be made, and then you make that decision. Then you move on to the next one and

Greg Feasel: That you know that fundamental process is is really the key to being able to sleep at night because you start, you know,

Greg Feasel: Putting just, I call it stacking. And we’ve all seen people that just okay they they stack the issues and they just keep stack and well you know the bridge is crushing if you’re stacking that bridge is toast. So

David Horsager: Love it.

David Horsager: Well, there’s a there’s a ton. Here we gotta

David Horsager: Give a quick little lightning round here. I mean, listen, already make it simple character.

David Horsager: Sit on the front row input equals output. It’s always about the fundamentals, especially alignment and leaders worst thing is not to know

David Horsager: Early riser. And one thing at a time don’t stack the issue. Funny thing, you know, General McChrystal and I enough that I’m close to anything, but we were both being interviewed on this panel.

David Horsager: Kind of early in the pandemic. So I got to hear what he said, which was much more brilliant lamb sure than anything I said, but we’re just, we’re there. And one thing he did say is

David Horsager: In crisis, you’ve got to boil it down, not just one key issue but you got to shorten the time frame which kind of goes to your one thing at a time.

David Horsager: He said, you know. Gone are the days, especially you think of the pandemic in April, May nobody knew it was going to happen right, he said, he said.

David Horsager: Get rid of that one year, you can still have a long term vision but get rid of that that one term goal of one term one year priority or one month. He said, You got to pull that what’s the, what’s the key thing for the team this week.

David Horsager: Absolutely.

David Horsager: What’s the good thing today.

David Horsager: And, you know, so, but in fact he talked about when he had that just really tough issue, I believe it was finding

David Horsager: Bin Laden and they just couldn’t get the Intel right and they could every day. They’re in the wrong spot and and they’re all over

David Horsager: You know, basically, Europe and a part of Asia, and part of North Africa and he’s responsible for all the troops and finally said we’re having a call. Every day. Every morning 2200 people were on that call.

David Horsager: Every morning, he said, what is there any new Intel today. Any new into this is our role. This is our job. What’s the until today. Anybody everybody’s on the call.

David Horsager: And after that call at the end of it. He would give us 15 minutes. So this is our point of attack right now this is where we’re going. This is what we’re doing, everybody right now this tell everybody. This any boil it down to this one.

David Horsager: Kind of thing every day and and one goal every day, kind of, you know, in the midst of crisis. So it’s kind of like, I think.

David Horsager: I think there was a lot of overwhelm over the last nine months, like, Oh, I’ve got all these things. And that kind of jumps at me another military idea friend of mine that was talking to in the middle of the

David Horsager: Kind of pandemic. I said, What’s working for you. And he said, well,

David Horsager: When I went through the the War College in the 19 1980s. I learned uka volatility, uncertainty complexity and ambiguity and when I have times of uncertainty.

David Horsager: We were taught to ask two questions ask what can I control and what should I do first.

David Horsager: Which basically is what you’re talking about here. Just what don’t stack it. What can I control turns up last seven, nine months, people that asked what they could control instead of whining about everything. They couldn’t control they found a lot of things they could control.

Greg Feasel: Yeah.

David Horsager: So then it’s boiling it down to the first thing so

David Horsager: Keep sharpening yourself Bible and there’s a lot of great stuff here. Any I got a final question for you in a moment, but any last resource or

David Horsager: Quote, or guiding principle that you just say, Boy, if I want to be a leader. This is something I live by, or think about anything else you would want to share in our short short time together today.

Greg Feasel: I don’t know if it’s earth shattering but I mean anything’s possible. I mean,

Greg Feasel: We live in a great country and

Greg Feasel: You know, I didn’t play it down a high school football and I ended up playing in the NFL. I don’t have a business degree.

Greg Feasel: And I’ve been 26 years with the Colorado Rockies.

Greg Feasel: And I’m considered a football guy. So, you know, don’t, don’t sell yourself short. I mean, really,

Greg Feasel: Are you are you looking at the horizon and

Greg Feasel: I think people they they let themselves get bogged down and or they’re looking at, you know, what’s happening in their neighbor’s yard versus focusing on what they can accomplish and

Greg Feasel: You know, I tell people all the time. Only in America could a guy like me be doing what I’m doing. Only in America.

David Horsager: That that is crazy. So I didn’t

David Horsager: We’re wrapping up but this is what we should have led WITH YOU DIDN’T PLAY A down

Greg Feasel: Of high school football. No, yeah, it was David. It was so bad that

Greg Feasel: Me and another kid my senior year had the same number. So we used to stand on opposite ends of the sideline, and I never went on any away trip.

Greg Feasel: And I mean you love least should I played a lot. No, but should you least put the kid in. Yeah, it should put the kid in but you know what I learned. You know, back to, you know, learning from things that don’t go right is

Greg Feasel: I mean, you can’t miss those things. You can’t miss those opportunities. You got a kid that’s been going to practice never missed a practice.

Greg Feasel: You know, put them in and

Greg Feasel: Call it respect call it the right thing, you know, put them in the game. You know what’s, what’s the big deal.

Greg Feasel: But you know it was a little tougher on my parents, but you know it was a it was a humbling experience. And then, you know, you know, the rest is, you know, kind of history. I went to junior college and then went to Abilene Christian, as you know, and

Greg Feasel: Your brother ended up with Pro.

David Horsager: Football so

Greg Feasel: Yep played Minnesota for a while. Yeah.

David Horsager: Yeah, right here and packers, too. So we got to see him one way or the other. Right.

Greg Feasel: Yeah.

David Horsager: Or was that just you at the Packers.

Greg Feasel: I was at the Packers. Yeah, yeah. He was at Seattle of Baltimore Minnesota and Seattle. Yeah.

David Horsager: Well, there’s a lot more wisdom in Greg feasible said we and I’m just really grateful to call you friend.

David Horsager: I am but I’m grateful to know you and to and to be better because of you. So thanks for being friends. Last question of the time together.

David Horsager: You know we call the show the trusted leader, the new book is coming out trusted leader. I’m certainly not perfect at it by any stretch, I note. I just know it’s the right way to be from the research.

David Horsager: Sure, and

David Horsager: But if if you had one you said here’s, you know, if you’re thinking of a trusted leader. Tell us about one that you think of. I know you’ve been around many, but who someone you trust the leader and why

Greg Feasel: Boy, that’s it. You know, it goes I it’s tough to single out any one person because I’m more of a guy that you know take something from this person take something from that person and

Greg Feasel: You know my dad was a great influence in my life and

Greg Feasel: Just his work ethic is character.

Greg Feasel: That a word means something which that all I mean trust is just wrapped in that and you know you tell somebody you’re going to do something and and you do it, and he lived, he lived his life that way and

Greg Feasel: And you know, I could

Greg Feasel: See the examples, you know, over and over again. When I grew up, of that’s what he did. I mean, he said he was going to show up and do this. He was going to show up and do it. And if something wasn’t right. He was going to say that it wasn’t right. So,

David Horsager: That’s great.

David Horsager: no better place to find someone to follow that in your dad and I know you’re a great one to hope linen Zoe and everybody are are doing well out there and

David Horsager: That is a treat to get to hear from Greg visa, Greg, thanks for being on

Greg Feasel: And thanks for thank you for

David Horsager: The, the friendship and that’s the trusted leader show we’ll look forward to seeing you next time, stay trusted